Permanent Lighting Profit Margin: Three Jobs Worked
A 170 ft two-storey permanent track job bills $5,357 on GlowBid's default card and nets $2,336, a 44 percent margin, at published kit prices for materials.
A 170 ft two-storey permanent track job bills $5,357 on GlowBid's default rate card and nets about $2,336, a 44 percent margin, after materials at the kit prices manufacturers publish, two people at $22 an hour, the truck, card fees and a $110 warranty reserve. A 116 ft bungalow nets $1,281 at 38 percent and a 198 ft complex roof nets $2,527 at 41 percent. Every line, and what changes at dealer cost, is below.
I run a permanent lighting company in Ottawa and I built GlowBid. The revenue on this page is GlowBid's default track card, which installers replace with their own on day one. The material prices are retail kit prices from manufacturer and supplier pages, checked on September 8, 2026 and linked at the bottom; nobody publishes dealer cost, so retail is the ceiling and your number is lower. The labour hours, the wage, the payroll rate and the warranty reserve are assumptions, and each one is labelled as such in the tables.
About $2,336 on a $5,357 job, with 20 crew-hours in it. This is the two-storey from our permanent per-foot pricing guide, with every rate at the default and the flat per-jump and per-peak lines left at $0: 48 ft of garage roofline, 74 ft of upper roofline with the 10 percent storey premium, 48 ft of peaks with the 15 percent pitch and 10 percent storey premiums, 16 ft of jumps and a $250 controller. You can draw your own house in the free tool and put its footage in this table.
Line
USD
Where the number comes from
Revenue: 170 lit ft, 16 ft of jumps, controller
$5,357.00
GlowBid default track card, $1,500 minimum met
Materials: 187 ft ordered (170 lit ft plus the 10% buffer) at $12 a foot
$2,244.00
Retail kit price: The LED Warehouse 200 ft kit $2,299 ($11.50 a foot); ShawTech RGBW $12 a foot; both include channel, power supply and controller
Install labour, 2 people x 9 hours
$396.00
$22 an hour, our assumption from Indeed's $22.84 installer average; hours are our assumption
Drive time, 2 people x 1 hour
$44.00
Same wage
Payroll costs on $440 of wages
$52.80
Our 12% assumption; your accountant has the real rate
Our assumption: a bit more than one callback per job, costed below
Total costs
$3,021.45
Profit on the job
$2,335.55
43.6% of revenue, $13.74 per lit foot
Crew-hours, both people on the clock
20
$267.85 revenue and $116.78 profit per crew-hour
Materials are the line to argue with. The $12 a foot is what a homeowner pays for a complete kit with the controller in the box, so it is the most a dealer should ever pay and it already includes the $250 controller you billed separately. The 187 ft is the order with the 10 percent buffer, which is on the order and never on the price. Jump cable is in there too; the kits ship spacer cables, and 16 ft of it is not a line worth its own row.
Interactive
Price this house
Move the sliders. The total comes from the same pricing engine GlowBid quotes with, on the default rate card.
The bungalow is the first-job example from our permanent business start guide, the two-storey is above, and the complex roof is the $6,160 quote from our permanent quote template: 198 lit ft with a 24 ft ridge line, four peaks and three controller zones. All three are pure defaults on the track card.
Bungalow
Two-storey
Complex roof
Lit footage (ordered with buffer)
116 ft (128)
170 ft (187)
198 ft (218)
Revenue
$3,390.00
$5,357.00
$6,160.00
Materials at $12 a foot ordered
$1,536.00
$2,244.00
$2,616.00
Crew-hours on site (assumption)
12
18
24
Trip days
1
1
2
Wages, install and drive, at $22
$308.00
$440.00
$616.00
Payroll costs at 12%
$36.96
$52.80
$73.92
Truck at 76 cents a mile, 25 miles a trip
$19.00
$19.00
$38.00
Card fees
$98.61
$155.65
$178.94
Warranty reserve
$110.00
$110.00
$110.00
Total costs
$2,108.57
$3,021.45
$3,632.86
Profit
$1,281.43
$2,335.55
$2,527.14
Margin
37.8%
43.6%
41.0%
Profit per lit foot
$11.05
$13.74
$12.76
Profit per crew-hour
$91.53
$116.78
$90.26
The two-storey wins on percentage because the storey and pitch premiums add $521 of revenue for maybe two extra crew-hours. The complex roof has the most dollars and the lowest profit per hour, because the ridge, the third zone and the second trip day are hours that the per-foot rate only partly pays for. If your complex roofs keep landing at 24 crew-hours, set the flat per-peak premium; ours is $40, which is not the default, and it would add $160 to this job.
The same three jobs with only the materials line changed. ShawTech's 12mm RGB kit is $9 a foot at retail, and Thunder Lighting Supply's business guide uses $15 a foot of cost against $20 to $30 billed, so the honest range is wide.
Materials per foot ordered
Bungalow profit
Two-storey profit
Complex roof profit
$9 (ShawTech RGB retail)
$1,665.43 (49.1%)
$2,896.55 (54.1%)
$3,181.14 (51.6%)
$12 (LED Warehouse, ShawTech RGBW retail)
$1,281.43 (37.8%)
$2,335.55 (43.6%)
$2,527.14 (41.0%)
$15 (Thunder's contractor figure)
$897.43 (26.5%)
$1,774.55 (33.1%)
$1,873.14 (30.4%)
Every $1 a foot on materials is $128 to $218 of profit on these houses. That is why the dealer agreement matters more than the per-foot rate: a $3 gap between retail and dealer cost is worth $561 on the two-storey, more than the whole storey premium. It is also why a product that costs $15 a foot needs a card above $25, not a better sales pitch. EverLights' 100 ft ClickLights bundle is $1,675, or $16.75 a foot at retail, and on the default card the two-storey becomes a 27 percent job.
How do these compare with what the other pages claim?#
Ours land under the headlines and inside the two supplier figures that show their work.
$15 to $40 a foot, $200 to $500 maintenance contracts; no margin figure
No source
This page
38 to 44% net at retail kit prices, 49 to 54% at $9 a foot; gross before overhead 45 to 49%
Rate card, kit pages, Indeed, IRS, Stripe, all linked
Gross margin the way Geiman and Thunder count it, revenue less materials and direct labour, is 44.5 percent on the bungalow, 48.9 percent on the two-storey and 46.3 percent on the complex roof at retail kit prices. That is the bottom of Thunder's range and just under Geiman's, which is what you would expect when the materials line is retail. At $9 a foot all three sit inside both ranges. Nothing on this page gets near Strandr's 60 to 80 percent, and the Strandr pages do not say how they got there.
Nothing from an install, and that is the point of the product: no re-install, no takedown trip, no bin. Year two is service, and it has two prices depending on the calendar.
Inside your labour warranty, a callback is a cost. One person, 1.5 hours on site and an hour of driving, is $55 of wages, $6.60 of payroll, $19 of truck: $80.60, or about $87 with the card fee if you had billed it. That is what the $110 reserve on every job is for; it covers one callback per job with $23 to spare, and the node itself is a manufacturer claim if the product warranty covers it.
Outside the labour warranty, the same visit is revenue. Our example settings from the service call pricing guide, which are not defaults, are a $125 call-out that covers the drive and the first half hour, then $95 an hour.
Line
USD
Service call, drive plus first 30 minutes (example setting)
$125.00
One hour past the first 30 minutes (example setting)
$95.00
Revenue
$220.00
Wages, 1 person x 2.5 hours at $22
$55.00
Payroll costs at 12%
$6.60
Truck, 25 miles
$19.00
Card fee
$6.68
Part, inside the product warranty
$0.00
Profit
$132.72 (60.3%)
Strandr's permanent guide says installers sell maintenance contracts at $200 to $500 a year; it gives no source and we do not sell one, so treat it as their claim. The year-two number I trust is the referral: a lit house on a dark street in February is the cheapest lead you will ever get, and it costs the same $0 as the callback you did not need.
Pricing materials from a quote you have not placed. The kit price on a website is not your dealer cost, and your dealer cost is not the price after shipping and the connectors you forgot. Order the first job before you set the card for the tenth.
Ordering lit footage without the buffer, or with the buffer on the price. Channel is cut per house and does not go back on the shelf. Ten percent on the order, zero on the price.
Paying yourself nothing. Both people on this table earn $22 an hour, including you. If you take your own wage out, the two-storey is a 48 percent job and you worked ten hours for free.
No warranty reserve. The first February callback comes off the profit of a job you closed in October. Put $110 on every job and the callback is already paid.
Card fees on the balance. $155 on the two-storey, $1,557 across ten of them. Take the deposit by card so the date is booked, and offer e-transfer or cheque for the balance.
The complex roof at the two-storey's hours. A ridge, a third zone and a second trip day are where permanent installs go over. Set the flat per-peak premium or raise the ridge rate; do not hope.
Counting jumps as lit feet. Sixteen feet of cable ordered as sixteen feet of channel and nodes is $192 of material for lights that do not exist.
Where the numbers come from, and how to keep yours honest#
Every dollar of revenue above came from a drawing. The runs were drawn on a photo of the house, the footage came from the drawing, and the rate card turned the footage into the price, so the material order, the crew-hours and the ticket all describe the same 170 ft. That is how GlowBid works: draw once, and the footage, the bill of materials and the price cannot disagree. Put your dealer cost, your feet per crew-hour and your reserve on the card and this page becomes your P&L, job by job. Core is $299 a year at the founding price, $499 regular, and the free roofline tool runs the same drawing with no login until you export.
FAQ
Questions installers ask
What profit margin should a permanent lighting job make?
About 38 to 44 percent net on the three jobs on this page, with materials at published retail kit prices, two people paid $22 an hour, the truck, card fees and a warranty reserve counted. At $9 a foot, the cheapest complete kit published, the same jobs run 49 to 54 percent, and dealer cost is lower than any retail kit. Thunder Lighting Supply calls 40 to 60 percent gross typical; Jason Geiman says 50 to 65 percent gross on permanent.
How much profit per foot is there in permanent lighting?
Between $11 and $14 of profit per lit foot on GlowBid's default track card, which bills $25 per foot of roofline. The bungalow nets $11.05 a foot, the two-storey $13.74 and the complex roof $12.76, all at retail kit prices for materials. The two-storey does best because the storey and pitch premiums add revenue faster than they add hours.
What do permanent lighting materials cost per foot?
Complete kits with channel, nodes, power supply and controller are published at $9 to $16.75 per foot at retail: ShawTech's DIY kits at $9 and $12 a foot, The LED Warehouse's 200 ft kit at $2,299 or $11.50 a foot, and EverLights' 100 ft ClickLights bundle at $1,675. Thunder Lighting Supply's business guide uses $15 a foot. No manufacturer publishes dealer cost, so this page prices materials at $12 and shows $9 and $15 beside it.
How many hours does a permanent lighting install take?
Thunder Lighting Supply says a two-person crew finishes 150 to 250 ft in a day. Our labelled assumptions are 6 crew-hours each for a 116 ft bungalow, 9 each for a 170 ft two-storey with four peaks, and 12 each for a 198 ft roof with a ridge and three zones, plus an hour of driving per trip. Track your own feet per crew-hour for ten jobs and replace those numbers.
Does a permanent lighting customer make money in year two?
Not from an install, because there is no re-install and no takedown trip. Year two is service: inside your labour warranty a callback is a cost, about $87 on our table, which is what the $110 warranty reserve on every job pays for. Outside the warranty a service call at our example $125 call-out plus $95 an hour nets about 60 percent. The other year-two value is the neighbour who asks for a quote.
Why is the permanent margin lower than the seasonal margin?
Materials. A seasonal C9 job on the default card runs about 18 percent materials at supplier prices and 60 percent net in year one. A permanent job at retail kit prices runs 42 to 45 percent materials and 38 to 44 percent net. The dollars per job are higher on permanent, $1,281 to $2,527 against $1,270, and there is no January truck roll, but the percentage is lower until you buy at dealer cost.